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Special Kirk Day Bonus Episode (Live)

Season 5, Episode 999 | April 26, 2022

A special live episode of the Virtual Coffee Podcast - Bekah and Dan meet for the first time in real life, and get to hang out with Kirk on Kirk Day!


Show Notes:

A special live episode of the Virtual Coffee Podcast - Bekah and Dan meet for the first time in real life, and get to hang out with Kirk on Kirk Day! Also Dan fires Bekah (for the first time).

Watch the stream on YouTube!


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Transcript:

Dan:

Hello, and welcome to a special Kirk Day Bonus Episode of the Virtual Coffee podcast. I'm Dan and this is a podcast that features members of the Virtual Coffee community. Virtual Coffee is an intimate group of developers at all stages of their coding journey. And they're here on this podcast usually sharing their stories and what they've learned uh today we had a little bit of a different time, Bekah actually it came up to Cleveland uh where i work And uh we actually met in person for the first time ever after knowing each other for over three years and it was fun and today is also a Kirk Day which you will hear about uh A little bit later in the episode and uh also Kirk. Joins us as well and it was really fun and it was a fun little thing we streamed it live we had some people sharing in the comments And we thought we would share it on the podcast stream as well so enjoy and uh next week we will get back to our regular schedule Hey, we were muted the whole time. Why did you do it? I was just thinking in my head. Oh, I hope the sound sounds good. It was like, I looked at the mute thing and

Bekah:

just so everybody knows, I just did the most amazing intro that I've ever done.

Dan:

It's good.

Bekah:

So here's my not so great intro. We are coming from Lakewood, Ohio. We are celebrating national Kirk day or international Kirk day. As we more fondly, know it at Virtual Coffee,

Dan:

inner galactic

Bekah:

galactic, inter I was gonna say disciplinary. That is not the right word dimensional interdimensional Kirk day, because it is preserved everywhere because perk is awesome and amazing. And we like to celebrate Kirk as much as we can. Dan, would you like to introduce what international dimensional disciplinary Kirk date is?

Dan:

Um, so was it just a year ago or a year ago today? Yes, Kirk, um, had a tweet. Where he showed me that I should read that. I feel like I should have read the, the right text. This is it, right? Yeah. So Kirk tweeted today, we achieved the dream. My made a function called Missy Elliott. That takes data structure, flips it and reverses it. I have ascended. And then, um, very shortly after that, uh, Missy Elliott responded, replied on Twitter, um, actual Missy Elliott, not, not a fake Missy Elliott and, and said something like, yeah, she said, wow, I'm humbly I'm. So humbly grateful, much love to y'all. And, um, that was the beginning of a legend. It was, it was really, really awesome. And, uh, everybody saw it and perks, you know, Twitter. Uh, let's see what the, uh, It, it Kirk's sweet, got a one 13,300 retweets. Uh, and it's really good stuff.

Bekah:

Yeah. But not only that, not only was it just YouTube, but it expanded. So this was not a one day event. It was, it was on Twitter. It was on LinkedIn. It was on Reddit. Everybody loves

Dan:

Kirk. Yes. And we all are already loved Kirk. And this is just a sort of celebration of, of, uh, the rest of the world. Right. Becoming aware

Bekah:

of, of the Kirk. So maybe we should tell our Kirk origin story.

Dan:

Um, I think that's a great idea. Do you want me to go first? Do you want to go first? You go first. I mean, I don't have a specific, I don't remember the like moment right. Of, of meeting her. Cause that was back in the time of. Virtual Coffee being, uh, a little it's a little smaller, you know? And so we had slack, we had, um, the coffees obviously. Um, but, and I'm not a person who, I don't know, I don't know a lot of people, I don't really like people don't stick in my brain until, until we like interact. You know what I mean? And so my thing with Kirk was, was really the heck Tober festivals really like leading up to October Fest that year. So it was two years ago. And, um, Bekah and I, you know, we worked together and I had known Sarah because she was. You know, like she was already like helping them with virtual profit and all that stuff. And, um, I could just kinda wrote me in for Oktoberfest

Bekah:

to like help. Okay. And to be fair, you were like, if you need help with anything, let me know. I may have said that. So if you offer to help,

Dan:

you will. Uh, it's true. Um, yes, most people find that out about eventually. Um, but yeah, so Kirk was there too. Right. And I have, like, I like, you know, I'd heard his name or whatever. I, you know, we had been, he was still TK that's right. He was just the mysterious TK, which made me, you know, what to know him more, you know, because anyway, that has a mysterious

Bekah:

name, you know?

Dan:

And, uh, yeah. And then that, so that it was like that September leading up to, uh, That October, it was a lot of Kirk and I were, I mean, I was working on the site and that's when the first like this, the current version of the site happened, you know, we made the leap like that. We should probably have a site for Virtual Coffee where we're doing all that stuff. And so I would be up in the middle of the night. Uh, and Kirk was usually there too. And we would like talk and, you know, throw ideas back and forth and think about things. And then he was doing a lot of the work on the, I dunno, more social aspect of it, the documentation, you know, thinking about how like people are going to interact with Virtual Coffee and like how, uh, we need resources for maintainers and what those could look like and things like that. And so I gained a lot of like both, it was like fun to hang out with them. And again, a lot of like respect for him, you know, at the same time. So, um, so yeah, and then after that, it was just like, we're just talking every day and had been doing that for. The last million years, I don't, it feels like I don't, I don't know all the dimensions, you know, in, in multiple dimensions, I'd say, uh, if we're gonna use MCU terminology though, Kirk would be like an XSP, right. So there's only like one Kirk yes. Across the dimensions. Yes. He's Arco is prime Kirkland.

Bekah:

Yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah, for sure. He's the right Kirk.

Dan:

Exactly.

Bekah:

I will tell my Kirk origin story. I don't remember it exactly, but I have known Curt longer than most of the people I've known at Virtual Coffee. But back when I knew Kirk, he was like a DVO Python image or a snake. I caught, he was not, I didn't know his face. And then he started coming to Virtual Coffee and. I am really, um, like nervous when I meet new people. And then I was like, I think this person knows me and I had to try and figure it out. And he would sit in this office, like with a slag behind him and everybody's wearing masks back then when you were on zoom. And so I'm like, who is this person that is coming? I'm very nervous about them. Um, and then Kirk kept showing up. I'm like, okay, this is like, this, this person might be my friend. I think maybe we're moving into friendship right now. And then when we were moving into heck Tober vest, I was like, Hmm, I don't know who suggested it. Somehow. Kirk ended up on the HEC Tober Fest team and it was, um, me Dan, Sarah, Brian, and Kirk. And I feel like me, Sarah, Dan and Ryan were like talk dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. Why don't we think about this for a second, like you used to be probably shed. So Kirk was, uh, always doing a great job of, um, roping us all back to having productive conversations and making progress on all the things that we were really excited about doing and making sure that they happen. And like, for me, I had not really. I ever heard about documentation. Like you talk about documentation, put like, what is that thing? And then like, Kirk was like, breaking it down. This is why documentation is important. And then, you know, Kirk has a teaching background too. And so it was like, okay, this is starting to click a little bit more for me. And to like, show how you can help more people through the documentation became, um, something that was like a change in my life, you know, like no big deal, but that's all. Um, so all right, I'm going to check out the chat now. That's my, my Kirk origin story, and this is how he's become to be my best friend ever

Dan:

since. Yeah. Uh, so we just got a comment from David saying, so cool to see you in the same place, physical physically, yet. This is the first time that we have like actually met in real life. And we started working with. When did we start

Bekah:

working together? July? This will be, so it would, would've been three years

Dan:

in July before Virtual Coffee. Like we were working together before it started

Bekah:

Dan fired me. And that's how Virtual Coffee started

Dan:

As soon as I said that, I knew you were going to say that I did not

Bekah:

fire. My kids got sent home from school and then I came home and Dan was like, sorry, you're fired. Good luck.

Dan:

I mean, sometimes you have to fire. I didn't fire you. Okay. You were a contractor, so I just stopped paying you and you stopped doing work. You're the worst. Uh, in my defense, I didn't have any money to pay you with. I didn't

Bekah:

have any work for you to do all right. Five minutes. Fine. I'll be fair. It was pandemic. And there was no work. So he fired me on accident.

Dan:

Apparently Nick knew you're going to say that as well. You're becoming predictable,

Bekah:

but I feel like we've had a lot of new members that might not have known that you fired me many times ago.

Dan:

Um, so, uh, any way. Yes. Um, so I don't know about you, Bekah. I spent a lot of time. I'm like, okay. So what do I wear when I meet a person for the first time that I've like worked closely with for three years, obviously virtual, probably stuff. I wore the t-shirt and the hoodie. I just wear

Bekah:

the

Dan:

assignment. Yeah. Well, we didn't talk about it ahead of time. I almost like texted you. I almost asked you and I should have, because then we could have just been totally,

Bekah:

you know, oh, wait, Arjun joined and wants to know who fired me. Dan fired

Dan:

me. No, I did not fire you. I hate this. I'm shutting this stream down,

Bekah:

so, okay. So maybe let's go back a little bit so I can tell the full story and give Dan the credit that he is owed. Um, I'm a career changer. I spent 10 years teaching college, English, and I went to bootcamp. And when I graduated, I put out a tweet saying that I was looking for a job and Dan responded

Dan:

not really, but seriously.

Bekah:

So I did not. Um, I didn't take any coding tests or have to do any. Strange problems that make no difference in the world. And so, uh, we worked together until the pandemic hit and then everything shut down. So, yeah. So then

Dan:

as soon as I had worked coming back in that you had worked coming back in to, you never say thank you. Um, yeah, it was a re it was a rough summer.

Bekah:

It was a weird summer. It was really rough. And that's how Virtual Coffee started too, because I was getting signed with interviews with kids at home and trying to figure out like what life was like. And then I put out this week, does anybody want to meet up for Virtual Coffee? And we just kept going with it. And, and somewhere along the line I pulled Dan in to cause he owed me for firing me.

Dan:

So here's the one thing I'm so used to, uh, like talking to you on zoom, we're sitting right next to each other, but we have the like zoom monitor on the screen. And so I have been like looking at, I keep looking at you on the screen instead of, instead of like you next to me, I don't even

Bekah:

understand.

Dan:

Right. Exactly. Yeah. Right. Do I look to camera? Yeah. No, it's weird. Um, good, weird. But it's, it's weird, you know?

Bekah:

Yeah. Okay. Let's see. Let me look at this chat. Um, Yes, Nick. Exactly. Dan responded. I'm looking for someone to fire eventually. Yes, I am totally

Dan:

wired eventually.

Bekah:

No, I had no coding tests. We had a conversation. I don't know if Dan remembers it, but I remember,

Dan:

um, I mean, I didn't know what I was doing either. I mean, this is the first time I ever, and to be clear, like you weren't an employee, so, you know, my whole thing was contractor, you know, cause I'm a contractor too, but, uh, yeah, I'd never done that before. And like, I really jumped into like very ADHD style, like no real plan, no real, you know, guidelines for myself or for anybody else or anything like that. And it worked out very well, but, um, yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was fun. Um, uh, haven't missed any, uh, you know, uh, I

Bekah:

dunno.

Dan:

Uh, yeah. So, um, you know, with like insurance, I've heard is

Bekah:

a good thing to know. Insurance is nice. It's useful. Didn't have that for awhile. So, yeah. So I've been working a new full-time job, um, and Dan has been,

Dan:

thank you. If I didn't fire you there'll be no Virtual Coffee. I didn't fire you

Bekah:

so I can play it over and over.

Dan:

I blamed melts, honestly, for that, for that one, we went to a mill in here in Lakewood and it's, I, we walked past the first place. I wanted to go found out, close for lunch on the weekdays, which I didn't know. Um, but as we were walking past Milt, I was like, this place makes you want to go take a nap after like, after. And it's, it's true. Yeah. I mean the two years probably probably didn't help that either. But, uh, I blame, yeah. I blame that on that and the mental lapse. But once you stand from that, I did not fire anybody.

Bekah:

I mean, what is your definition of fire? Okay. He was like, I'm no longer going to employ you or give you work or money. So anybody out there please let me know. So now he's roped into Virtual Coffee forever.

Dan:

Anyway. Let's go back to, I was saying that I was right and that everything that I did was good. I'm pretty sure that's what she said.

Bekah:

Well, Dan, it sucks that you fired back and that was pretty awful, but at least we got Virtual Coffee out of it and you can fire me any day. I don't even know what that means. Sometimes I like very frequently will spit out water when I drink it. So I need to try very hard to not drink and laugh at

Dan:

the same time. Yeah. Somebody's episode. That was a really good one to that. Oh yeah. I watched you do it. I watched you swallow or like, you know, start drink water. And then Helen said something hilarious and, uh, yeah, we, uh, both have a problem with, sometimes we, you know, I don't know if you could get this in zoom where you, why you're not like making, I kind of take what's a real person, you know, but, but like, you almost can, like sometimes you know, where, like, you know, you're looking at that person that, you know, they're looking at you, you know, and, uh, you know, we've had some, we've had some meltdowns in the past. We try to keep it on the podcast, but there's been some. There's been some moments.

Bekah:

Yeah. Yeah. There are many moments on the podcast we've progressed so much. When we first started the podcast, I would laugh uncontrollably for the first five minutes. I could never do the introduction. I maybe there's. I don't know if there's any,

Dan:

for sure. We sure have it all recorded. I don't know if, yeah. I don't know how much video we have of it, but like, uh, we have a lot of views of, of like trying to do the intros and stuff. It's so funny. Cause you're so good at it. Like you're so good at like this stuff most of the time and like it's the recorded nature of it. It's like the reading, the script

Bekah:

part. It was like, I was so nervous. Like I was like nervousness decided to turn itself into laughters and like I could not stop, which I guess is like better than crying or sweating, which I have also gone through those phases as well.

Dan:

Yeah, definitely one of my main skills.

Bekah:

Um, just checking out the chat. Promoted to customer.

Dan:

Yes. Congratulations. I don't know pressure valves.

Bekah:

Yeah. As soon as he probably would fire me for all of this it's okay. Oh my sure. I'm an introvert. I dunno. I feel like maybe I'm an ambivert ambivert. I am especially like intensely nervous and shy and exhausted when I'm around people that I don't know. But like when I'm around people that I know or people that I'm friends with and, um, I can often like find that energy. I think that extroverts

Dan:

have, for me, it's, for me, it's um, sort of knowing exactly what, like I was supposed to do in a situation. That's what I'm comfortable. Right. And so like the. This is just you and me chatting, you know, and like, we've practiced this obviously. So it's like, you

Bekah:

know,

Dan:

can't you tell we did, like, we did like, uh, this is yeah. Very polished, uh, you know, thing. No. Um, but what I mean is like, uh, I know what socially is expected of me in this situation. You know what I mean? And so if I'm in coffee, like one of our coffee chats and in a room with a whole bunch of people, I don't know. I'm not like I don't have a problem. Like I don't, I don't get like, awkward like that, but, um, but when I go to like go to a conference, right. And then there's like a social hour or lunch or whatever, and I don't know people, and I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to do or my role in, you know, that's when I get like, that's when I get like super and I just go and sit down by myself and put my headphones on or something, or I don't put my headphones on, but like, cause I'm fine. If somebody comes and talks to me, like, that's cool. Cause that's like a. Hey, this is what you're supposed to do now, you know, but like walking up to somebody and trying to like, that's, that's what I, like. I really struggled with that. That's the kind of stuff that I struggled with, you know, is those, those like situations, uh, Where it's an unfamiliar territory or like, you know, I don't know.

Bekah:

Yeah. So it's like that. So my dad was just telling my oldest, my 12 year old, he was talking about how great it is to talk to random people in the garb and talking to them like that is a terrible thing. My dad loves it. Like he will go up to any person and he will probably try and say what their name, he'll ask them their name and hope continually try and repeat that throughout the conversation, but then forget their name and use a different name. That's wrong. He tries very hard to be personal. Um, but that was like, um, my worst nightmare talking to a stranger that I don't know about things.

Dan:

Yeah. No, my father-in-law is huge big on that. And he was a bartender and stuff and like, he just doesn't naturally, like, he doesn't almost like impulsively, you know, but like, like, uh, in an elevator or something, he'll just like chat up and they probably don't want to talk to him. I mean, like not like he's not being creepy. Right. And he's not like hitting on anybody or anything like that, but he's.

Bekah:

Talking to them.

Dan:

great guy. You know what I mean? And like, but that's just how he is, you know? Uh, yeah. Uh, somebody said something about Joe said, so what do I do with my hands? That's a big thing with me too. And honestly that's like what I, one of the things I like about the, this, this phase in our collective lives of the zoom stuff is that most times, so right now my camera's like scooted back a little bit so that we can both fit in. Most time you can see my hands. And I've honestly, like during this thing had been like seeing my hands in the video and been like, oh God, get these out of here. You know? Cause I'm just like, like, I don't know, what do I do with my hands? Big problem. Yeah. What do I do with my whole body? Like standing in a group of people. How do I stay? You know, like seriously, like I I've struggled with that. You know, like I do just put my hands in my pockets or, you know, I don't

Bekah:

know. I like pockets and I just don't make enough pockets for women. It's like, even earlier, Dan and I were like sitting at this conference table talking like I move around a lot and I've like recently become more aware of how much I move by seeing other people on camera. And then I'm like constantly, I think someone once gave me like feedback, don't move your hands so much. It's distracting. Like whatever, like I'm gonna move my hands as much as I want it because I can't. I said, we've got spinny, Dan's got so many chairs. So I got to do a lot of spinning. This is, this is what I do. I move all the time. But like when I'm in front of the camera in my office, like I very much, I have to try very hard to sit still and not move my hands everywhere because that is not my natural state of.

Dan:

I ended there. Yes. Um,

Bekah:

we do the wave one time at Virtual Coffee in my breakout room. We like, we, we alphabetized everybody and then everybody went, it was very exciting

Dan:

to Minnesota. Marie had to go um, yeah,

Bekah:

we should. Um, is, is Kirk around? Can we bring Kirk on?

Dan:

I dunno, it is, uh, Kirk day, which is where we started. He responded well, that was 20 minutes ago, I guess. Are you dealing in, should I give him okay. We'll see if I can get

Bekah:

her on him. Our celebrity, our resident celebrity.

Dan:

It'll be funny. Uh, because once we get another person on this call, You and me we'll be in one box and, oh man, this

Bekah:

is crazy. Rick is at work. What's word two people do

Kirk:

that.

Dan:

Don't they know it's Kirk day. I'm pretty sure they do because,

Bekah:

well, I mean, maybe we could have any Kirk, Nick has asked. That's a good question. So in our slack right now, most of us have. Put our profile down, flipped it and reversed it. But with Kirk's

Dan:

I see him Kirk, or we're going to try to get Kirk in to

Bekah:

join. Remember how to we are, sorry. We're doing our best to bring our celebrity on the stream. At least take 10 fakes in the chat as well. I want to shout out to Abby Perini because she DME last night, she was like, after midnight, put up this in your profile. So Abby has been an amazing observer of Kirk day, and I could not have asked for anything better. We don't want break. Where are we breaking out to turn off the world, please stand up. Yes. Oh my goodness. We definitely need to, um, find more ways to put Kirk into music.

Dan:

All right. Kirk said he can join in three minutes. So we just talked about this book for, I don't know, jokes. I can't really

Bekah:

all right. I'll tell my joke. Um, have you all one about pizza?

Dan:

Nope. I haven't heard that one.

Bekah:

Nevermind. It's cheesy.

Dan:

Man.

Bekah:

Well, we do the podcast. Dan always wants me to adjust my microphone. And so then I try and tell him jokes, which he ignores all of the time. And then some of our guests are nice enough to laugh. So if you come on the podcast, please laugh at my jokes and roll your eyes that day. Please encourage me in my keynote talk that I'm giving in July. I'm just telling jokes for 15 minutes straight because I can do whatever I want.

Dan:

That's true. You're the keynote speaker. So that'll be your first and only time being a key Joseph's to get away. I did not fight. I rejected God to keep trying to trick

Bekah:

me. Can't fire me anymore. All right. But if anybody else has jokes, please put them in the chat and then I will deliver them because she needs

Dan:

to deliver them because you are the worst joke receiver in the world. You know what she does. Yeah. You know what you do when you, what I ask you, Joe, when I like, I have, there's been times where I've like pulled out some jokes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Because I know that you appreciate them, but she guesses the answers. She like, she didn't say, I don't know what she like tries to like it's a riddle. No,

Bekah:

no. Oh no. Dan, I don't know. Can you tell me the answer?

Dan:

No, that's not. What are you doing? You're fired again. Not again for the first time.

Bekah:

C. Exactly. Thank you, Joe. Joe knows. It's not joke. It's a challenge. Every joke is the.

Dan:

That's not a, it's not a joke,

Bekah:

but a joke then is like a story that you tell with a punchline at the end in

Dan:

your oh, weird Kirk here. Um, okay. Well, according to Kirk, one minute left, so we'll see, Kirk was not consulted at all for any of this. Uh, that is true. I try not to consult Kirk at a time on things where

Bekah:

we need

Dan:

right, exactly. Or, uh, you know, where he might have time to think about whether he wants to engage with us. We try to try to pull him in, you know, before he has a channel. You know? Yeah,

Bekah:

no,

Dan:

we avoid my

Bekah:

ridiculousness, Joe. Yes, we do need a scoreboard. Maybe that will be next month. Monthly challenge, 97 and counting.

Dan:

Oh God. How did I not see that coming? Honestly,

Bekah:

I don't know. I didn't even think about it. And so we started talking and you brought it up. Yes. A slack channel or a slack bot that posts every time that Dan fires

Dan:

me. Um, how about a select button that just announces the Bekah is fire.

Bekah:

Everybody just continuously buyers' me over and over. It's okay. Just keep firing me. It's fine. Just preparing to be up here. Yeah, he probably, sorry, Kirk, we're sorry that you have to prepare for us. We were trying to send a drone that would just go scoop up Kirk and bring him to Cleveland.

Dan:

Well, maybe it's you will cut out the echo. I was just thinking I have headphones and then I was, I don't know how to do that. Really. We're just going to try it. And I'm going to count on you guys to tell us if there's a bad echo, cause I'm just going to play it over the speakers. And because zoom is actually usually pretty good at that. Like, I mean, if that's all we have to do, uh, you know, we can do AirPods or something, but like, that'll be annoying. I have, I'm trying to think if there's any other solution, literally this is the first time I've ever. Sat next to somebody and try to be beyond, uh,

Bekah:

you know, I mean, if I have my computer, I can, yeah. And then like

Dan:

you could go over the other fucking room and do that like, oh, sorry. Uh, I did not mean to curse, but she made me have two beers and she, you know, she forced me to do it and, um, which I've been meaning to talk to HR about. And they said you're fired. The reason I swerve is because like you going out somewhere else sounds not nothing is my

Bekah:

point. I meant just have my computer and log on and I would sit here, but just so I could put the sound in my ear,

Dan:

I feel like you'd get a delay, plus you'd hear me through there too. And through here too. So we're going to try.

Bekah:

Do they have like covers for your air positive. You're sharing them for someone else. Like, you know how like they have like the tongue depressor and they cover it or like the ear thing, they put a little thing. Do they have one of those for your AirPods?

Dan:

The, uh, that's as soon as I thought that that's where like my AirPods or like grocery now, I wouldn't want to share that with anybody. So that would be an embarrassing thing to do as well. Um, there has to be some sort of like, I don't know. I feel like back in the day they used to have a lot of cool things where you'd split the, you know, I probably honestly, yeah, where they'd have a little splitter. So you have your iPod and the cord with the two things, and then you could sit next to your friend in the, or in the bus or the car and both of them the same thing. Yeah. But those were recorded, you know, they were like, no, I feel like cool. Kids in high school that listened to cool music and had cool friends. I didn't have it either. It just seemed cool.

Bekah:

Kirk is talking. It's set up there. Where is he? Kirk, are

Kirk:

you here? I mean, I can see you. I want you to know, I just shouted watching the stream while I was getting ready. And then there, wasn't a moment where I'm like, this is there's a lot going on here. I don't know where I fit in. Um, don't have any jokes and I don't have any jokes, rule formats. So, you know, Bekah. I feel like, what do you think are jokes and not what other people put them together and said, that is all of jokes.

Dan:

I'm so glad you're here. Says that was decades ago. I know it was because it was high school. Thank you for putting that out there. I appreciate that. All right. Everybody else has said there's no audio issues. We are good.

Bekah:

And we got the celebrity of the year here. Welcome. It's been a great

Dan:

year. The multi-verse

Kirk:

yeah, this entire day, I've just been seeing threats and going. I don't remember talking about,

Dan:

I've been having the opposite problem where I read as reading through a thread and was like, Oh, who wrote that? Oh, that was

Bekah:

me. Dad said, I think we're at lunches.

Kirk:

Yes. This is again, I just want to make the record clear that I was not consulted about any of this mocha I saw, I just assumed slack. Wasn't working.

Bekah:

Nick Taylor, like somebody would maybe read out was like, I'm seeing pictures of Kirk and Nick is like, it happens sometimes. And it does like sometimes slack put other people's pictures

Dan:

upside down, you know, and

Bekah:

flipped it.

Kirk:

Okay. So I'm going to be clear. I was very dense. It took me way too long to figure out that's what that was. Again, I'm probably just not working. And then I thought it was like, oh, okay. Let's add a one way for Kirk to distinguish himself and other people. But it wasn't even about me, which I feel like is

Bekah:

the perfect

Kirk:

days about. That's really what, it's a, it's a VC event. I'm just

Bekah:

celebrating how much we love Kurt.

Kirk:

We're

Bekah:

lucky that Missy Elliott responded to you. So we can remember every day it's like Valentine's day because some people don't like Valentine's day. Cause they're like, what is this? It's a commercial holiday too. So us chocolate and flowers and cars. And, but it's also a day to like remind you to stop and think like, oh, I am going to, um, tell this person that I love them today. Right? And so like, we often forget to tell you every single day that we love you, Kirk. So this is our Kirk Valentine's day slash Missy Elliot day. We do

Kirk:

love you. We love you. Uh, let's see, I wasn't prepared for this either, but

Dan:

since it's Kirk day, do you want to back.

Kirk:

No. I mean, I feel like I have to be the one person who doesn't fight.

Dan:

Tell me if people

Bekah:

need to think of me.

Kirk:

I mean, just based on the chat response, people seem to be really into UV as much as like on their tier list of events, Kirk day, back of being fired. That's what the people want.

Bekah:

The people want me to be fine. I don't even know what to do. I'm going to have to like, think about this very hard on my two and a half hour, drive out. Why everybody loves me fired.

Kirk:

Well, you seem to be like really enthused about it too, because you're the one who brings it up. Dan, doesn't

Bekah:

bring it up.

Kirk:

It's like your origin story. It is,

Bekah:

it is my origin story.

Kirk:

Not the teaching, not the women who is it's like it all started when Dan fire and then a passion live inside, less

Bekah:

fire. My other origin story is not, uh, it's. It's not, um, it's rated PG 13 decoding.

Kirk:

Oh, why did I get into coding? I didn't, you

Bekah:

can tell that one, but then people always feel awkward. Cause like when someone asks you how you got into coding and you use the word vagina, they're suddenly like, oh, weird about it. Yeah, for sure. I don't think you can say that in a PG movie, you can drop one. F-bomb in a PG 13 movie. So we're still a PG 13 here. We're good, Dan.

Dan:

What's

Kirk:

it because

Bekah:

he already dropped one today. He thought her one and only he was like, I'm going to be the one that hit the

Dan:

truck. Cause I was worried about you leaving.

Kirk:

Okay. Yeah. I know you're in Dan's house now. So you get like what's the body

Dan:

is my office it's office. Oh yeah. It's actually a Sprockets office, which is who I do most of the work through. But I have my own like, well, I don't know this stuff. You know, I have my own room. That is my office.

Kirk:

I have like,

Dan:

there's a suite of offices.

Bekah:

It's got its own little pod. There's a conference in a couple of offices.

Kirk:

I believe that you are both in a tree house. I don't believe anything you say. I

Bekah:

would like to be in a tree

Dan:

house. I laid, I went, uh, To last week, when was I going? I don't know, two weeks ago, whatever it was to Amish country and got a tree house like Airbnb, it's like a newly built thing that was like, well, we raised up in the trees and stuff. It was really cool. Yeah. Highly recommend

Bekah:

Gemma. And I drove through Amish country recently on accident. Cause I made a wrong turn and we went for shopping and I, I got some large plastic bins for $3, each

Kirk:

much plastic things.

Bekah:

No

Dan:

one thing I learned this trip, lots of Amish people now are into e-bikes, which was a surprise to me, but it was cool. And it made sense once I thought about it. So like lots of, uh, and it was honestly, there was a couple of men, mostly a lot of women riding around on the country highways. I mean the same house as the buggies are riding on, but like, but they're just like, and they usually had a little bike trailer, you know, but they're just like fine out. Um, I went on. That's

Kirk:

cool, interesting fun fact. Early in the history of bikes, um, there was like a massive upsurge in popularity with women because it gave them like assets to travel and like see their friends without having to like go through their husbands. And so there was like a big like reactionary thing so that people there like published articles about like the bicycle. Is it ruining your woman to stay home again? Is that how that goes? But I just, I used to imagine some like do just like these bicycles, they're hanging out with their shreds.

Bekah:

I don't ride a bicycle. I don't ride

Kirk:

bicycles.

Dan:

Well, both. You don't know how to ride a

Bekah:

bike? Well, I, I did, but then I fell off it too many times. So I stopped. I don't know. I mean, do you know how, if you keep falling down. I had a bunch of stitches in my elbow. See, there's still scar there. I don't think you can see that on screen. Thanks for confirming. It was larger. Okay. For a long time, I once ran into a pole while riding on a bicycle.

Dan:

I don't ride bicycle as that a flat path. I think, I feel like, you know how you're just not good at it and that's fine. I mean like you you're allowed to be not good at things, but you know how to ride a bike. There's my point. You saying I'm not

Bekah:

good

Dan:

at riding bikes challenge, challenge. I just don't

Kirk:

know. How can you swim?

Bekah:

I'm a great swimmer.

Kirk:

Okay. I'm just trying to figure out like in a triathlon, like where are you struggling? So it's like swimming, running, cycling.

Bekah:

Um, yes. Yeah, that's it. I don't know. I probably would not ride a skateboard. I tried to do that with my child's skateboard and I was like, this is going to break my hip. Yeah. I was just worried about my no sled riding. I once almost broke my hip sled riding. I had to go to the emergency room. It wasn't broken, but gave me lifelong problems. I was on a mattress. I sled road on a mattress. That was a bad idea. So I was like, not good at sled riding. And so then these boys in college, they were like, Hey, let's take this mattress and we'll go on it. And you'll land on the mattress and it's soft. And that makes sense. Well, okay. So there was a ramp, but I was like, don't come over the ring. They promised they wouldn't go over the ramp and you know what happened? Everybody ditched the mattress except me and one other guy. And he landed on top of me and he was 200. I landed on my head on the sound good. I

Kirk:

started with, I'm not good at sled writing, but as far as I'm aware, now, I remember where I live. So I'm admittedly ignorant of these things, but aren't you just, isn't it just like it's happening to you.

Dan:

It's mostly the ramp. That was a problem. I feel like

Bekah:

it's easiest thing. You're totally

Dan:

right though. You just like sit on the sled and then let us

Bekah:

know sometimes like you reckon,

Dan:

I like the part about sled riding is picking your spot. Uh, cause if you go where there's like huge ramps or like, I don't know where else you crashed, but like trees and stuff. Probably not what slides are hard to steal. Like they don't, they don't, they don't, they're not going to like do a sharp turn steer.

Bekah:

I remastered my fear though. My brother is down the street and has a great sled riding. I have gone down that hill multiple times.

Dan:

You see them, you can affect like, like slow gradual turns on sleds. You know what I mean? But like what I'm saying, you can turn slowly while you're going fast, straight down, but you have to plan ahead. You have to plan ahead or just ditch. It is what I would, I do want to control.

Bekah:

He says I lift heavy things and I flip them down.

Dan:

Somebody said, we should do a challenge, a bike ride shot. It would be it. I can actually sit on a bike and not move and not fall over.

Bekah:

Deanna has a nickname for his bike riding.

Dan:

Yeah. It's all shot. Yeah, somebody named, I got it originally from bike riding, but, uh, that was, I don't know what all that stuff was with. Yeah. Like beg his daughters, uh, sent me a poop emoji drawings because every time they come on, Thing. And they always want, you know, whatever they're waving and stuff. And so I just started sending people from what he's named fight or flights. Well,

Kirk:

I've always, that's been very validating to me. Bekah's family associates being with like pancakes and hot sauce and like van kits.

Bekah:

So I don't think anybody knows this story. So one morning, a couple of weeks ago we were making pancakes and my daughters decided they were going to make pan Kirk's some pancakes that looked like Kirk. Um, and then they argued over who would eat the pan Kirk, but then it, we only had a little bit of battery life. So there was only one pan Kirk and it looked like a tiny baby. So I think Gemma, a baby Kirk, Kirk is like, that is strange. And

Kirk:

she sent me this like, look, they made like, there's nothing special about the pancakes, small pancake. There's no like chocolate chip face is just a pancake.

Bekah:

We did our best with what we had. Okay.

Kirk:

Don't tell them it's very heartwarming, but also quite strange. Um, I only know how to make pancakes from scratch, not the mix. And we're like proportions. I learned it at, or the only way I can do it. So I can only make like enough pancakes, like a full family, but my family quickly, like you don't want pancakes. So I would just eat like two pounds of pancakes myself.

Bekah:

Cause I know.

Dan:

It's true. They're good. That way.

Kirk:

Or I could eat two pounds, right.

Dan:

So yeah, bragging at this point is you get to eat two pounds of,

Kirk:

and then I go up to them like you made them do this.

Dan:

I, uh, so we were talking, I mean, we wanted to hang out in the stream or whatever, and just hang out with people. We talked about doing a podcast, like making this like a live podcast episode. I realized that we didn't do a random question or anything like that. So I was just, I don't have a plan for this. I was thinking about somebody has a as, as a good, you know, random question or Kirk, if you, while in

Kirk:

VC, today or riddle really icebreaker was which part of not, which part of your body hurts. Cause the answer can be multiple will, like, which is the one you've noticed hurting like most recently. Cause somehow we just all started talking to you about the parts.

Bekah:

That's my traps. I trust

Dan:

which ones are your trucks?

Bekah:

I have builds up too much muscle, and now it's very tight and it hurts every day. No problem.

Dan:

I didn't do many trap exercises. So yeah,

Kirk:

when I was actually in school, I did all the triangle workouts I saw

Dan:

I get in the gym and I think geometry I'm like, you know, the strap designs Robinson's and you got to get the whole, the acute and the acute and the up twos triangles, and then make sure you hit the, uh, what's the what's the perfect triangle. Equal equal lateral equal lateral triangle as well. Make sure you hit all three of those. If you want to do a full workout, then you get into the 3d and you get some cubes and you know, you get some, uh, other Hedron oh man, this is where I almost had it.

Kirk:

And this is what we're saying. And then someone in the slack was like, who could lift more weight? Like who could like deadlift more? I'm like, it's, it's definitely that,

Dan:

um, deadlift, deadlift, Bekah would very easily. I mean, most of these probably she would anyway, but like a, a deadlift, any of the ones where you need a form, you need form and stuff. Like that's all the proper form I'm saying I would just kill myself. Like I would like my back or something. You know what I mean? I have literally never works out. Like I'm fairly strong, but Bekah works out all the time. If it is very strong, I feel like a. I feel like a bench press is where, like, I feel like a bench press, I probably could equal her because I don't have to worry about hurting myself very badly because of my back. You know what I mean? Then it's just like, and then it's, you know, but like any of the ones that like requires skill, I mean,

Bekah:

Jesse and I talked about it last night. I was like, I think Dan could crush me in,

Dan:

um, I'm like for somebody who

Kirk:

doesn't ever work, but I want to know is wins cycling. I think you could have an edge there.

Bekah:

Oh, for sure. I don't know how to cycle stationary

Kirk:

bicycle after like elbow scar McGee over there. We've got to change

Dan:

if we're going to have it. So somebody mentioned triathlons and there's like triathlon teams too. So like they have like team for competition, you know, as well. So. If we did a triathlon, would you do run or swim? Probably swim. All right. So Kirk, that means you're on running.

Kirk:

What am I better at than the two of you jokes? Oh, be better at sports wise.

Dan:

No, Joe Bekah, when it pushups easily.

Bekah:

Oh, I don't know. I, my shoulder is Kirk is still in the a hundred push-ups challenge, right?

Kirk:

Yeah. But I don't do like the full ones I'm doing like incline.

Bekah:

I, my, I hear my shoulder. I have a torn something. Yeah. My thing

Dan:

with, with pushups, honestly, that bothers me is my wrists are flexible for my

Bekah:

research.

Dan:

Like they

Bekah:

don't like my right wrist from using the mask all the time is definitely tighter than my left

Dan:

one. I'm sure I could work on it if I want it to.

Kirk:

But yeah, the tunnel, the tunnel I traveled through the most as harmful for sure. They have those things, like those things you can hold instead of pressing your arms flat on the ground, they just, they hurt your arm in a different way. So I'm like this just transferred the pain from like doing this to like straight through. So it doesn't help at all. Yeah. Did

Dan:

you read next pivot? No. Nick just says, I saw someone mountain biking on a unicycle in a forest outside of Montreal. I wave to them and they just imagine them like doing a jump on a unicycle, waving to Nick, and then like seeing them veer off into a tree and yelling soccer, light blue or something.

Kirk:

It's like the office. They have to yell our core, our

Bekah:

core. Oh my gosh. My kids love that

Kirk:

that'll away.

Bekah:

Yeah.

Dan:

I've seen those for sure. So people do like insane things on them. I've I've seen him. I don't think I've seen them in real life, but I've seen them on YouTube. Uh, if you want some,

Kirk:

you know, on Spiderman or they tell them, do a flip and then he does the flip and then it was like, oh, that's it. I want it to be on like, both ends of that. I don't want to be the person saying, do the flip. And then someone else does the flip. And someone says to me, I want to be able to do the flip in that moment. Um, but that's never going to happen. You're terrified. What am I better at than the two of you? This is, I gotta figure this

Bekah:

out. Kindness documentation. Um, well, I don't know if Dan's better than you at games or not. I like games. I'm very bad at them.

Kirk:

Not anymore. That's

Bekah:

have you seen the.

Kirk:

I would pay money. I would, I would donate time and money to make that

Bekah:

Kurt, Kurt is Kirk day. You were allowed to ask him to do whatever you want right now.

Dan:

I don't know. I just, I'm not very flexible at all that it's a known fact.

Bekah:

Kirk poetry, maybe. I don't know.

Kirk:

Are you you're, you're a poet. You poet.

Bekah:

We have debt. We have all three devils in the poetry. You may be able to find all three of our poetry online. If you search,

Kirk:

I used to have a website. The first website I ever made was a WordPress site. It was called. Shiver sharks. Cause that's a collective noun for sharks. And I found out cause everyone does like a pirate bowels or like one-on-ones everyone knows. I'm like, give me a weird shiver or something like that. And then I met the, I saw someone who had the murder of crows and I was like boring them about that. But my websites, I don't want to happen to it. WordPress is just like, you don't do enough. And I think I saved, I think I saved everything from it as a RTF rich text. I'm like, this is great. Lost that file. Worthless unhelpful. This was before I knew about mark down or anything. Really?

Bekah:

Yeah.

Kirk:

Does anyone remember that thing we used to use to make websites? My professor in university used it. Um, it flips no three waiver.

Bekah:

That was the first time I ever coded was in Dreamweaver. Yeah,

Dan:

for sure.

Bekah:

I want to do yoga with the goat to Virtual Coffee retreat at Glenn's

Kirk:

house. I've seen the goat yoga videos. And as somebody who like I see goats every day go prove it. That's a real

Dan:

thing. Yeah. It's the go-to and yoga tour is to go just like,

Kirk:

and a bunch of little like kid goats, just kind of like amble about, and sometimes they just climb you. Cause that's their thing. Oh,

Dan:

sure. I mean,

Bekah:

yeah. Can we do a fainting goats too? And then we like jump up and scare them.

Dan:

Yeah, Nick, I use fibers. Yeah, dreamer. So that's the Macromedia suite, like Dreamweaver fireworks, and then like flash, if you do a flash and, uh, there was another one that I didn't use very much, like a more, uh, designing one, but, um, yeah, I wasn't doing more than farmers and like Dreamweaver was actually really good. Uh, even not using the like generated stuff, but it was a good like code editor. Like I used it as my like, just code editor for, I dunno, I dunno when it stopped, but like a long

Bekah:

time. Well, my first job out of my first full-time job out of college, I was a community organizer for an environmental non-profit and the executive director, my first week, he was like, do you know. How to use, how do you know a code? Like, no, he's like, okay, go home this weekend and learn HTML and CSS. I was like, okay, like Jesse was my boyfriend at the time. And I went home and he had like textbooks on HTML and CSS. So then we went over those things like, all right, I know it. I know it now.

Kirk:

That's awesome. All weekend. I'm pretty much an expert. Nailed

Dan:

it.

Kirk:

Um, just to say, Jeff, Jeff in the chat was like, do pushups on your fists or wristband again, like we're just trading problems here. That's not, that's not better. Um, yeah. Shout out to that's a Dreamweaver. I remember like a lot of purple. It was all like purple involved with somebody. Oh, I have a great bad joke. I just heard it. This is apparently very popular with the first time I heard it. Bekah don't ruin it. Um, which are Kirk's could apply to all Java developers wear glasses.

Dan:

This is where you say, I don't know why,

Kirk:

because they can't see sharp.

Bekah:

Uh, uh, nice. I was not going in that direction. I was going more with,

Kirk:

if, if you were a software developer in like 1998, that would have been incredibly like back when they were basically

Dan:

C sharp in 1998. This is like C plus plus in that, when did C-sharp become a thing.

Kirk:

Okay. 2005. That's again, back when

Bekah:

what's that

Dan:

13, we don't need to talk about how old I was, but, uh, I wasn't, I was a computer science in college, which was after that and.

Kirk:

That's all the

Dan:

validation, I suppose, does not exist anymore.

Kirk:

Yeah. People use it to write. Whoa, whoa, buddy.

Dan:

I don't know. I'm asking. I'm not saying there's no difference. I'm literally asking, I don't know. C

Kirk:

sharp is all.net, right? It's all Microsoft, right? That's this, if you're in Microsoft, 90% of the time you're writing C sharp, um, and C plus plus is not, um, C plus plus is still considered like the Lang for like high-performance stuff. If you don't want to get down to see, I guess, but I feel like C plus plus dad's favorite thing to do is like, complain about. Yeah. Like JavaScript,

Dan:

if you get to a certain level, that's just going to be an

Kirk:

ally. If it's useful enough, like there'll be enough code written that it was like something to complain about. Like

Dan:

Emily tells people, like she was on a trip with her grandma and she's like, yeah, Dan hates computers. And she knows that like, this is what I do for a living, you know, but it's true. You know, she didn't understand, you know, she's like, what, what does that mean? Yes. Like, yeah, dad hates computers. Cause she told me a story. Cause I was like, oh, yesterday I spent like three hours trying to get, I wasn't, uh, I almost went over a PG 13 again, uh, Ruby to work again on my computer. And um, it was really annoying and it like killed my whole day, you know, anywhere else complained about it at home and was like, I hate computers. I don't like them. So, you know, well

Kirk:

the first time I learned Ruby, it was similar to that Bekah situation. I was in internship. Well, we can't any, can't get any developers up in this project. So you guys are going to do it yourself and be like, okay, any of, you know, Ruby? No, this was back in the time. They were like, here's the instructions for how to install this on your machine? If you get it wrong, we'll would probably break the machine. Good luck. So that's like, and it was super painful. And I didn't like, look at a line of Ruby again, what, 10 years. So, you know, onboarding.

Dan:

Yeah, no, that's, it's like, it doesn't matter every time I have to do something with her and I just do it so infrequently that it's, you know, that's why it's a problem for me, obviously, to be

Kirk:

fair. I feel like I do Python stuff all the time and I still mess it up. Like getting it to work. I'm just, I just want things to work. I just want to click work and then they work. Yeah. Specifically the installation and running part.

Bekah:

That's the worst

Kirk:

I got into Loreal. I'm like, oh, I'm going to NPM installed new thing. And bam did its thing. Do the thing run didn't work. I Google the air, you know, it's bad when you search for an air and it takes you to like, be official of like issues on resolved page. Like, oh no,

Dan:

I can't. I was deep into that yesterday. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Anyway, uh, computers are doing that. I hate them.

Bekah:

Also. I have to go

Dan:

to leave at three, not three 30. Uh,

Kirk:

the week

Bekah:

I have children, Bekah needs to go clean up the Creek in my.

Dan:

She needs to go clean up smokey

Kirk:

bear

Bekah:

birthday

Dan:

week. Um, Kirk, I just want to say a happy Kirk day to us all.

Bekah:

We're glad to have you thank you for joining us and the entire world.

Kirk:

I am. I'm happy to provide me as a catalyst for the pool. People here, Kirk day is weird, but the people who like it are great on this,

Dan:

we didn't plan any of this at all. So I appreciate you. If you know, Dan

Bekah:

was like push to have an agenda. And I was like,

Dan:

we did get a lot of stuff done today. It was

Bekah:

a, but most importantly, we saw Kirk on Kirk day and changed our profile pictures.

Kirk:

Nick Taylor's profile picture is sideways. We noticed that

Bekah:

it all makes sense,

Kirk:

Don road.

Bekah:

Well, that seems like a great way to end.

Dan:

That's a good one. Thank you everybody for hanging out and I'm happy, corrected and see you Thursday.

Kirk:

No, don't do another one no more Kirk days. Yeah, every single collective. It's fun. All right, bye.

Dan:

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